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	<title>Comments on: The immaturity of consumers (or &#8220;I want a refund!&#8221;)</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Ellsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.geeksrus.com/2007/09/05/the-immaturity-of-consumers-or-i-want-a-refund/comment-page-2/#comment-2069</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Ellsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your hypothesis that customers were ticked because others could afford our cool phone is, well, utter nonsense.  I frankly do not give a darn about what other people think of the iPhone.  It meets a need, and does it well - I am happy with my purchase.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was somewhat annoyed by the price drop announcement because the price drop was uncharacteristically large, and happened uncharacteristically soon.  A 1/3 price drop should normally take about 9-10 months in this industry, based on the usual factor of two every 14 months.  To have it happen in two was, to say the least, surprising.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are ways to communicate that you are charging a premium - only providing the version of the product with a &#039;bundle&#039; is popular.  Customers who paid extra for a PS3 are well aware of that, and aware that they are paying above MSRP.  They takes their chances.  Classically, though, Apple does not adjust prices this much and this fast, so customers did not see it the same as someone who lined up for a PS3 and paid a premium.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Large, rapid price drops discourage early adopters for all your products.  Had Apple not acted, the people who bought early would wait just a bit longer, and these are people with serious pennies to drop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sending early adopters a store credit makes us more likely to adopt early again, because many of us will feel well treated.  I do.  (I had suggested a $200 ITMS credit, on the grounds that it would cost Apple less than a cash rebate, but straight credit is cool.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am quite happy with my iPhone, but I do act rationally.  If Apple protects customers, then those customers are more likely to purchase if they are on the balance.  If Apple does not protect customers, then the customers are more likely to wait.  Apple acted wisely to protect that brand loyalty.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scott&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your hypothesis that customers were ticked because others could afford our cool phone is, well, utter nonsense.  I frankly do not give a darn about what other people think of the iPhone.  It meets a need, and does it well &#8211; I am happy with my purchase.</p>

<p>I was somewhat annoyed by the price drop announcement because the price drop was uncharacteristically large, and happened uncharacteristically soon.  A 1/3 price drop should normally take about 9-10 months in this industry, based on the usual factor of two every 14 months.  To have it happen in two was, to say the least, surprising.</p>

<p>There are ways to communicate that you are charging a premium &#8211; only providing the version of the product with a &#8216;bundle&#8217; is popular.  Customers who paid extra for a PS3 are well aware of that, and aware that they are paying above MSRP.  They takes their chances.  Classically, though, Apple does not adjust prices this much and this fast, so customers did not see it the same as someone who lined up for a PS3 and paid a premium.</p>

<p>Large, rapid price drops discourage early adopters for all your products.  Had Apple not acted, the people who bought early would wait just a bit longer, and these are people with serious pennies to drop.</p>

<p>Sending early adopters a store credit makes us more likely to adopt early again, because many of us will feel well treated.  I do.  (I had suggested a $200 ITMS credit, on the grounds that it would cost Apple less than a cash rebate, but straight credit is cool.)</p>

<p>I am quite happy with my iPhone, but I do act rationally.  If Apple protects customers, then those customers are more likely to purchase if they are on the balance.  If Apple does not protect customers, then the customers are more likely to wait.  Apple acted wisely to protect that brand loyalty.</p>

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		<title>By: itchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>itchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So to remain loyal to its &quot;loyal customers,&quot; Apple should stop this business of making better products for less money? Hmm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WTF does loyalty have to do with any of this? To all you &quot;loyal customers&quot;: If you were truly loyal, you&#039;d toss Apple the extra $200. So cut the loyalty crap. You buy what you decide to buy. Apple sells what it decides to sell.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loyalty does NOT mean buying products that you think are worth the price, even if you buy many products from the same manufacturer. That&#039;s not loyalty, that&#039;s preference. Loyalty means buying for irrational reasons, like, say, an item is priced about $200 above where it should be and the price will soon come down.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So ... the very people who are complaining about being &quot;mistreated loyal customers&quot; are actually not loyal (not that loyalty should have anything to do with this in the first place).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If being burned occasionally is the price you&#039;re willing to pay for instant gratification, fine. We&#039;ve all made mistakes. But if you whine about it and pretend it&#039;s someone else&#039;s fault, you are a whiny crybaby.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So to remain loyal to its &#8220;loyal customers,&#8221; Apple should stop this business of making better products for less money? Hmm.</p>

<p>WTF does loyalty have to do with any of this? To all you &#8220;loyal customers&#8221;: If you were truly loyal, you&#8217;d toss Apple the extra $200. So cut the loyalty crap. You buy what you decide to buy. Apple sells what it decides to sell.</p>

<p>Loyalty does NOT mean buying products that you think are worth the price, even if you buy many products from the same manufacturer. That&#8217;s not loyalty, that&#8217;s preference. Loyalty means buying for irrational reasons, like, say, an item is priced about $200 above where it should be and the price will soon come down.</p>

<p>So &#8230; the very people who are complaining about being &#8220;mistreated loyal customers&#8221; are actually not loyal (not that loyalty should have anything to do with this in the first place).</p>

<p>If being burned occasionally is the price you&#8217;re willing to pay for instant gratification, fine. We&#8217;ve all made mistakes. But if you whine about it and pretend it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s fault, you are a whiny crybaby.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve always felt that much of the negative hyperbole surrounding Apple involved the fact so many people seem to believe they have some sort of personal relationship with Apple and Steve Jobs.  Well Steve Jobs is not your &quot;bud.&quot;  Steve Jobs is a businessman and a marketer, and Apple is a stock company.  Why do we always hold Apple to some ridiculously different standard than other technology companies?  When the Razr went from $300 to free with a contract did people take to the streets?  Just about every new upscale cell phone is locked to a carrier, but there was no national outrage, no congressional hearings, until Apple was involved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyone who hasn&#039;t been asleep for the past two decades knows that the price of technology tends to drop like a stone.  Early adoptors ALWAYS foot the bill for research and development, while the folks who can wait get the benefit of economies of scale.  Apple is now enjoying those economies (from using the same iPhone technology to produce the iPod Touch) and passing them on to the customer.  Not an evil plot - basic economics.  Now Apple is in a position to really stick it to its competitors for the holidays - what are they going to say now that they can&#039;t argue price?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I ran out and bought the first Intel iMac.  Three months later Apple upgraded the processor and added stuff I had paid extra for, and left the price the same!  This was effectively a price increase for me.  Was I pissed off?  Only a little disappointed that I didn&#039;t wait.  But I realize had I waited, I&#039;d have been disappointed again six months later when they did the same thing over again.  To quote Mr. Jobs, &quot;this is life in the technology lane.&quot;  Every person who bought an iPhone that first month could easily have said, &quot;I&#039;ll wait for the price to come down,&quot; with every expectation and confidence that the price WOULD soon come down.  But you chose to dip into the kid&#039;s college fund, and this is what you got.  That $200 dollars was not any more useful to you on September 5th than it was on June 29th.  I belive those folks who say this doesn&#039;t have something to do with a perceived loss of exclusivity are lying to themselves.  I also believe that rational adults should give themselves a little more credit.  Instead of acting like the world is tossing you about like a rag doll, acknowledge that you made a decision to purchase a piece of technology at first release and live with that decision and all its attendant consequences.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that much of the negative hyperbole surrounding Apple involved the fact so many people seem to believe they have some sort of personal relationship with Apple and Steve Jobs.  Well Steve Jobs is not your &#8220;bud.&#8221;  Steve Jobs is a businessman and a marketer, and Apple is a stock company.  Why do we always hold Apple to some ridiculously different standard than other technology companies?  When the Razr went from $300 to free with a contract did people take to the streets?  Just about every new upscale cell phone is locked to a carrier, but there was no national outrage, no congressional hearings, until Apple was involved.</p>

<p>Anyone who hasn&#8217;t been asleep for the past two decades knows that the price of technology tends to drop like a stone.  Early adoptors ALWAYS foot the bill for research and development, while the folks who can wait get the benefit of economies of scale.  Apple is now enjoying those economies (from using the same iPhone technology to produce the iPod Touch) and passing them on to the customer.  Not an evil plot &#8211; basic economics.  Now Apple is in a position to really stick it to its competitors for the holidays &#8211; what are they going to say now that they can&#8217;t argue price?  </p>

<p>I ran out and bought the first Intel iMac.  Three months later Apple upgraded the processor and added stuff I had paid extra for, and left the price the same!  This was effectively a price increase for me.  Was I pissed off?  Only a little disappointed that I didn&#8217;t wait.  But I realize had I waited, I&#8217;d have been disappointed again six months later when they did the same thing over again.  To quote Mr. Jobs, &#8220;this is life in the technology lane.&#8221;  Every person who bought an iPhone that first month could easily have said, &#8220;I&#8217;ll wait for the price to come down,&#8221; with every expectation and confidence that the price WOULD soon come down.  But you chose to dip into the kid&#8217;s college fund, and this is what you got.  That $200 dollars was not any more useful to you on September 5th than it was on June 29th.  I belive those folks who say this doesn&#8217;t have something to do with a perceived loss of exclusivity are lying to themselves.  I also believe that rational adults should give themselves a little more credit.  Instead of acting like the world is tossing you about like a rag doll, acknowledge that you made a decision to purchase a piece of technology at first release and live with that decision and all its attendant consequences.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andy Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know if I agree strongly with either the &quot;we were screwed&quot; folks or the &quot;get over it&quot; folks.  I can see how both sides would feel that way.  But I find it fascinating that the people who are angry about Apple&#039;s greed in charging them $600 would be happier today if Apple had been &lt;em&gt;greedier&lt;/em&gt; and reduced the price at a later date or by a smaller amount.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Apple sent a message to its customers with the steep price drop -- &quot;Don&#039;t be an early adopter&quot; -- look at the message we&#039;re sending them: &quot;Don&#039;t reduce prices too quickly or we will be angry!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I am glad to have the $100 rebate, but wouldn&#039;t have lost any sleep if I didn&#039;t get it.  I had already determined that the iPhone would pay for its own hardware cost in reduced monthly payments over two years.  Also, a one-third price drop for a cell phone is not quite enough to get me upset.  If they started giving the phones away, I would certainly be asking, WTF?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d be very interested in seeing similar precedents for this kind of price drop in the cell phone industry.  Ken@18, the link you gave doesn&#039;t work -- can you fix it?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree strongly with either the &#8220;we were screwed&#8221; folks or the &#8220;get over it&#8221; folks.  I can see how both sides would feel that way.  But I find it fascinating that the people who are angry about Apple&#8217;s greed in charging them $600 would be happier today if Apple had been <em>greedier</em> and reduced the price at a later date or by a smaller amount.</p>

<p>If Apple sent a message to its customers with the steep price drop &#8212; &#8220;Don&#8217;t be an early adopter&#8221; &#8212; look at the message we&#8217;re sending them: &#8220;Don&#8217;t reduce prices too quickly or we will be angry!&#8221;</p>

<p>Personally, I am glad to have the $100 rebate, but wouldn&#8217;t have lost any sleep if I didn&#8217;t get it.  I had already determined that the iPhone would pay for its own hardware cost in reduced monthly payments over two years.  Also, a one-third price drop for a cell phone is not quite enough to get me upset.  If they started giving the phones away, I would certainly be asking, WTF?</p>

<p>I&#8217;d be very interested in seeing similar precedents for this kind of price drop in the cell phone industry.  Ken@18, the link you gave doesn&#8217;t work &#8212; can you fix it?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noop-Noop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noop-Noop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love how you &#039;special&#039; people assume the worst about the initial price of the iPhone. Apple was not trying to gouge you. The price was higher simply to reduce demand. They did not want an imbalance of demand far outstripping supply. Simple to understand when you are not &#039;special&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you &#8217;special&#8217; people assume the worst about the initial price of the iPhone. Apple was not trying to gouge you. The price was higher simply to reduce demand. They did not want an imbalance of demand far outstripping supply. Simple to understand when you are not &#8217;special&#8217;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: whalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>whalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m an early iPhone adopter and I admit to feeling a pang of regret when I heard about the price drop but all of this whinging is ridiculous. I agree totally that this is mostly about loss of status and not about broken piggy banks. Paraphrasing Gore Vidal, &quot;It is not enough to succeed [in owning an iPhone.] Others must fail [to get an iPhone.]&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an early iPhone adopter and I admit to feeling a pang of regret when I heard about the price drop but all of this whinging is ridiculous. I agree totally that this is mostly about loss of status and not about broken piggy banks. Paraphrasing Gore Vidal, &#8220;It is not enough to succeed [in owning an iPhone.] Others must fail [to get an iPhone.]&#8220;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Blain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This makes me wonder how many users are relatively new to Apple. As if this were the end of the world, so betrayed, as it never happened before. You can please all of the people only some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Frankly, compared to the G4 speed dump, this is nothing. Heck, I still remember the $3000 Mac IIvx coming out, and four months afterwards, the much better Centris 650 at the same price. No credits or gift cards then!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me wonder how many users are relatively new to Apple. As if this were the end of the world, so betrayed, as it never happened before. You can please all of the people only some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but&#8230;</p>

<p>Frankly, compared to the G4 speed dump, this is nothing. Heck, I still remember the $3000 Mac IIvx coming out, and four months afterwards, the much better Centris 650 at the same price. No credits or gift cards then!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I waited 10 hours in line on June 29, got it the first day, and have never regretted it.  How can you put a price on women coming up to you and starting conversations?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the price drop?  It&#039;s awesome.  Now all my poor friends can have one, too!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited 10 hours in line on June 29, got it the first day, and have never regretted it.  How can you put a price on women coming up to you and starting conversations?</p>

<p>And the price drop?  It&#8217;s awesome.  Now all my poor friends can have one, too!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the backlash reflects what, to me, is an abnormal mindset of people who follow the computer industry.  Nothing exemplifies this better than Dell.  Dell, as a company, succeeded by repackaging and configuring stock computer parts at a very low cost.  They essentially turned Wintel boxes into commodity products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thus, for the last ten years or so, PC analysts and followers have treated the industry the same as any commodity market.  This mindset leaves them unable to understand Apple or its products.  The iPhone in particular throws them for a loop -- &quot;how is it that Apple can charge $600 for an iPhone when its component parts cost only $248 (or whatever) according to iSuppli?&quot;  The obviousness of the answer -- it&#039;s the design, stupid, and it has value -- not only does not occur to them, but they seem incapable of imagining that a device can be worth more than the sum of its parts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s obvious to anyone that early adopters are the ones who have paid a premium for the design.  A sad problem is that quite a few don&#039;t recognize that, and now that the iPhone&#039;s price is closer (but still much higher than) the sum of its parts, they complain about being ripped off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For my part, the iPhone was worth more than $600 to me from the day it was released, which is why I bought one.  Nothing in the last two months has made me think otherwise.  So now I&#039;m especially happy to get an unexpected hundred from Apple.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the backlash reflects what, to me, is an abnormal mindset of people who follow the computer industry.  Nothing exemplifies this better than Dell.  Dell, as a company, succeeded by repackaging and configuring stock computer parts at a very low cost.  They essentially turned Wintel boxes into commodity products.</p>

<p>Thus, for the last ten years or so, PC analysts and followers have treated the industry the same as any commodity market.  This mindset leaves them unable to understand Apple or its products.  The iPhone in particular throws them for a loop &#8212; &#8220;how is it that Apple can charge $600 for an iPhone when its component parts cost only $248 (or whatever) according to iSuppli?&#8221;  The obviousness of the answer &#8212; it&#8217;s the design, stupid, and it has value &#8212; not only does not occur to them, but they seem incapable of imagining that a device can be worth more than the sum of its parts.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s obvious to anyone that early adopters are the ones who have paid a premium for the design.  A sad problem is that quite a few don&#8217;t recognize that, and now that the iPhone&#8217;s price is closer (but still much higher than) the sum of its parts, they complain about being ripped off.</p>

<p>For my part, the iPhone was worth more than $600 to me from the day it was released, which is why I bought one.  Nothing in the last two months has made me think otherwise.  So now I&#8217;m especially happy to get an unexpected hundred from Apple.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No one is right no on is wrong. I honestly believe that a lot of people behave very childlishly about this, it&#039;s been like this with majority of cool electronic gadgets releases. Remember when first Moto RAZR came out? This was by far one of the most expensive phones then. And there still are a lot of phones that costs lots of bucks. Now you can get them for less if not in some cases free with new activation. The rule of thumb is, when teh demand is met, the prices will go down, and in some case very fast. Be realistic, it&#039;s not unfair, it&#039;s how the market is driven. Yes I bough two of those phones. Am I bitter that the price is low now,. Hell no, of course $200 (in my case $400) would be a nice way to spend on other stuff, but lets face it, I was one of the first to enjoy it for months and that&#039;s cool, am I glad it&#039;s cheaper, hell YEAH, most of my friends who don&#039;t make much now have a chance to get it and I want them to have it. No one made any of us and You buy that phone in the first place! If you felt it was too much, you should of done what some people who know how it works and were willing to do so WAIT until yesterday! It just angers me when people complain and bitch and will do whatever t o get their way. Be an adult and accept your own decisions. Who knows maybe in 2 montsh it will drop to $199! Will you be angry then too? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would like to quote FRANK who posted at 12:26 (post 35)
rank Says: 
September 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Basic concept of supply and demand. There was limited supply and high demand, therefore the price was high. Now that demand has diminished some and supply has increased, the prices drop. In order to maintain volume, Apple dropped the price. Apple is not the only company to do this, its quite common. Most people just donâ€™t understand this basic economic concept. By the way, gas prices work the same way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quit your bitching, you paid the price that Apple was asking.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is right no on is wrong. I honestly believe that a lot of people behave very childlishly about this, it&#8217;s been like this with majority of cool electronic gadgets releases. Remember when first Moto RAZR came out? This was by far one of the most expensive phones then. And there still are a lot of phones that costs lots of bucks. Now you can get them for less if not in some cases free with new activation. The rule of thumb is, when teh demand is met, the prices will go down, and in some case very fast. Be realistic, it&#8217;s not unfair, it&#8217;s how the market is driven. Yes I bough two of those phones. Am I bitter that the price is low now,. Hell no, of course $200 (in my case $400) would be a nice way to spend on other stuff, but lets face it, I was one of the first to enjoy it for months and that&#8217;s cool, am I glad it&#8217;s cheaper, hell YEAH, most of my friends who don&#8217;t make much now have a chance to get it and I want them to have it. No one made any of us and You buy that phone in the first place! If you felt it was too much, you should of done what some people who know how it works and were willing to do so WAIT until yesterday! It just angers me when people complain and bitch and will do whatever t o get their way. Be an adult and accept your own decisions. Who knows maybe in 2 montsh it will drop to $199! Will you be angry then too? </p>

<p>I would like to quote FRANK who posted at 12:26 (post 35)
rank Says: 
September 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Basic concept of supply and demand. There was limited supply and high demand, therefore the price was high. Now that demand has diminished some and supply has increased, the prices drop. In order to maintain volume, Apple dropped the price. Apple is not the only company to do this, its quite common. Most people just donâ€™t understand this basic economic concept. By the way, gas prices work the same way.</p>

<p>Quit your bitching, you paid the price that Apple was asking.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Note that according to Daring Fireball, Apple is now offering a $100.00 credit to those iPhone buyers not eligible for any other rebate.  I hope people can now tone down on the outrage and give credit to Apple for taking the cost to make its customers and early adopters feel valued.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that according to Daring Fireball, Apple is now offering a $100.00 credit to those iPhone buyers not eligible for any other rebate.  I hope people can now tone down on the outrage and give credit to Apple for taking the cost to make its customers and early adopters feel valued.</p>

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		<title>By: icruise</title>
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		<dc:creator>icruise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find it pretty insulting that so many people think that iPhone owners bought them because they wanted to be cool or exclusive. I bought it because I thought it would be a great device (and it is). But Apple has NEVER reduced the price of a new product so quickly or so greatly, and I think it&#039;s natural to feel a little betrayed. It&#039;s great that more people can afford to get iphones now, but I certainly didn&#039;t realize I would be paying a $200 premium just to have the phone several weeks early. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I&#039;m very satisfied with the $100 credit that Apple is offering. It&#039;s just too bad they didn&#039;t say that from the start. It&#039;s like they didn&#039;t know what the reaction to the drop would be.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it pretty insulting that so many people think that iPhone owners bought them because they wanted to be cool or exclusive. I bought it because I thought it would be a great device (and it is). But Apple has NEVER reduced the price of a new product so quickly or so greatly, and I think it&#8217;s natural to feel a little betrayed. It&#8217;s great that more people can afford to get iphones now, but I certainly didn&#8217;t realize I would be paying a $200 premium just to have the phone several weeks early. </p>

<p>That said, I&#8217;m very satisfied with the $100 credit that Apple is offering. It&#8217;s just too bad they didn&#8217;t say that from the start. It&#8217;s like they didn&#8217;t know what the reaction to the drop would be.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brent Royal-Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Royal-Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;This isnâ€™t a matter of Apple dropping the price because the components got cheaper and costs went down, which is whatâ€™s been the case in the past: this is Apple RAISING the initial price because they wanted to get as much money as possible from the people who were by and large their biggest supporters to begin with.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or, uh, because they wanted to control demand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Remember how the iPhone was pretty hard to get for the first month or so?  Sure, it wasn&#039;t impossible like the Wii still is, but you still had to check online and get to the store early.  How much worse would that have been if it was $399 instead of $599?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Economic theory tells us that one of the main effects of increasing a product&#039;s price is to reduce the quantity of the product demanded.  By selling at an inflated price to begin with, Apple controlled demand so that it would stay at a reasonable level.  Maybe if more products were sold this way, product launches wouldn&#039;t be the uncontrolled frenzies they so often are today.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This isnâ€™t a matter of Apple dropping the price because the components got cheaper and costs went down, which is whatâ€™s been the case in the past: this is Apple RAISING the initial price because they wanted to get as much money as possible from the people who were by and large their biggest supporters to begin with.&#8221;</p>

<p>Or, uh, because they wanted to control demand.</p>

<p>Remember how the iPhone was pretty hard to get for the first month or so?  Sure, it wasn&#8217;t impossible like the Wii still is, but you still had to check online and get to the store early.  How much worse would that have been if it was $399 instead of $599?</p>

<p>Economic theory tells us that one of the main effects of increasing a product&#8217;s price is to reduce the quantity of the product demanded.  By selling at an inflated price to begin with, Apple controlled demand so that it would stay at a reasonable level.  Maybe if more products were sold this way, product launches wouldn&#8217;t be the uncontrolled frenzies they so often are today.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess I don&#039;t understand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Demand was astronomically high at launch. So the price was, yes, artificially increased to compensate. So pretty much everybody that really wanted an iPhone was able to get one. No major shortages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For an example of what happens when price isn&#039;t adjusted to match demand, look at the Wii. They&#039;re still extremely difficult to find without very careful planning. At least where I live.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What we&#039;re most likely seeing are case studies of what happens when one company overestimates demand and then compensates, and when another company underestimates demand and doesn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But seriously, is this not the most basic application of economic theory?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t understand.</p>

<p>Demand was astronomically high at launch. So the price was, yes, artificially increased to compensate. So pretty much everybody that really wanted an iPhone was able to get one. No major shortages.</p>

<p>For an example of what happens when price isn&#8217;t adjusted to match demand, look at the Wii. They&#8217;re still extremely difficult to find without very careful planning. At least where I live.</p>

<p>What we&#8217;re most likely seeing are case studies of what happens when one company overestimates demand and then compensates, and when another company underestimates demand and doesn&#8217;t.</p>

<p>But seriously, is this not the most basic application of economic theory?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On par with the fair comment that people who are upset shouldn&#039;t be called names like &quot;whiners&quot; or &quot;crybabies,&quot; I think that we also have to tone down on the hyperbole like &quot;screwed&quot; and &quot;backhanded&quot; and &quot;betrayed.&quot;  The worst you can say about Apple is that their decision to drop the price on the iPhone yesterday was inconsiderate to people who bought it for the higher price, leastwise to those who are ineligible for any kind of refund.  But it was done without the intention of &quot;screwing&quot; anybody -- it is done to sell more phones and to put its pricing on a similar level to the iPod Touch.  It&#039;s a business decision.  You may or may not feel that this decision is fair to early adopters, but if this is all it takes to make a person &quot;outraged,&quot; then I might recommend a re-evaluation of priorities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whenever you buy new technology, you are put at risk that it will be replaced by something better in a couple of weeks or that the price will drop.  Apple continually updates its hardware lines with machines that are often superior and, spec-for-spec, cheaper than that it immediately replaced, and it does so without warning.  Are you &quot;screwed&quot; because you bought a iMac in July 2007 while the August 2007 iMac is actually cheaper for more bang?  Nobody who bought an iPhone at its launch has lost anything.  They made an investment for a superior product that they felt was well worth the asking price.  They&#039;re getting a better deal on data than just about anybody else gets.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I live in Canada, where there is no iPhone yet.  The very day it is available, I am buying one.  I have held off upgrading my aged 2003 iPod and my crummy cell phone for just that reason.  I don&#039;t know whether Rogers (the presumtive carrier of the iPhone when it comes) will offer anything like the deal on voice and wireless that AT&amp;T does.  Canadians pay through the nose for their wireless services.  The final subscription cost may not be the $300.00 a month that some have calculated, but I wouldn&#039;t be the least bit surprised if I paid more for the same service than could be had in the USA.  There&#039;s also the fact that Apple products are generally more expensive in Canada even despite the current exchange rate.  For comparison, an iPod touch in the USA is $299.  The Canadian version is $329 even though the cost for a US iPod Touch in Canadian dollars is approximately $315.00.  I&#039;d be paying a premium and I will probably pay a larger premium for the iPhone when it comes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But will I be anything but delighted with an amazing product that combines all my data needs into one superior phone?  Will I say I got screwed?  Nope.  I will decide what it is worth to me and I will pay that amount if I feel that the price is worth the performance.  I&#039;ll also weigh in whether it&#039;s worth it to me to have an iPhone right away at the asking price or wait for it to drop.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Heck, by the time I get to own my iPhone, it will probably be the second generation version, which like so many other products will probably offer more bang for less bucks than the first generation.  I hope there will be no outrage over that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On par with the fair comment that people who are upset shouldn&#8217;t be called names like &#8220;whiners&#8221; or &#8220;crybabies,&#8221; I think that we also have to tone down on the hyperbole like &#8220;screwed&#8221; and &#8220;backhanded&#8221; and &#8220;betrayed.&#8221;  The worst you can say about Apple is that their decision to drop the price on the iPhone yesterday was inconsiderate to people who bought it for the higher price, leastwise to those who are ineligible for any kind of refund.  But it was done without the intention of &#8220;screwing&#8221; anybody &#8212; it is done to sell more phones and to put its pricing on a similar level to the iPod Touch.  It&#8217;s a business decision.  You may or may not feel that this decision is fair to early adopters, but if this is all it takes to make a person &#8220;outraged,&#8221; then I might recommend a re-evaluation of priorities.</p>

<p>Whenever you buy new technology, you are put at risk that it will be replaced by something better in a couple of weeks or that the price will drop.  Apple continually updates its hardware lines with machines that are often superior and, spec-for-spec, cheaper than that it immediately replaced, and it does so without warning.  Are you &#8220;screwed&#8221; because you bought a iMac in July 2007 while the August 2007 iMac is actually cheaper for more bang?  Nobody who bought an iPhone at its launch has lost anything.  They made an investment for a superior product that they felt was well worth the asking price.  They&#8217;re getting a better deal on data than just about anybody else gets.  </p>

<p>I live in Canada, where there is no iPhone yet.  The very day it is available, I am buying one.  I have held off upgrading my aged 2003 iPod and my crummy cell phone for just that reason.  I don&#8217;t know whether Rogers (the presumtive carrier of the iPhone when it comes) will offer anything like the deal on voice and wireless that AT&amp;T does.  Canadians pay through the nose for their wireless services.  The final subscription cost may not be the $300.00 a month that some have calculated, but I wouldn&#8217;t be the least bit surprised if I paid more for the same service than could be had in the USA.  There&#8217;s also the fact that Apple products are generally more expensive in Canada even despite the current exchange rate.  For comparison, an iPod touch in the USA is $299.  The Canadian version is $329 even though the cost for a US iPod Touch in Canadian dollars is approximately $315.00.  I&#8217;d be paying a premium and I will probably pay a larger premium for the iPhone when it comes.</p>

<p>But will I be anything but delighted with an amazing product that combines all my data needs into one superior phone?  Will I say I got screwed?  Nope.  I will decide what it is worth to me and I will pay that amount if I feel that the price is worth the performance.  I&#8217;ll also weigh in whether it&#8217;s worth it to me to have an iPhone right away at the asking price or wait for it to drop.  </p>

<p>Heck, by the time I get to own my iPhone, it will probably be the second generation version, which like so many other products will probably offer more bang for less bucks than the first generation.  I hope there will be no outrage over that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Townsend Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Townsend Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steve Jobs is Egyptian (partially, by descent), and electronics goods are purchased in a new kind of souk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Consumers haggle over price by using time and patience.  If we don&#039;t haggle with those tools, we&#039;re either truly busy (and the value of our time merits the initial higher cost), or we&#039;re treating ourselves to something sweet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some of us shouldn&#039;t indulge in such treats.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Consumers haggle over price by using time and patience.  If we don&#8217;t haggle with those tools, we&#8217;re either truly busy (and the value of our time merits the initial higher cost), or we&#8217;re treating ourselves to something sweet.</p>

<p>Some of us shouldn&#8217;t indulge in such treats.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Basic concept of supply and demand.  There was limited supply and high demand, therefore the price was high.  Now that demand has diminished some and supply has increased, the prices drop.  In order to maintain volume, Apple dropped the price. Apple is not the only company to do this, its quite common.  Most people just don&#039;t understand this basic economic concept. By the way, gas prices work the same way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Quit your bitching, you paid the price that Apple was asking.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basic concept of supply and demand.  There was limited supply and high demand, therefore the price was high.  Now that demand has diminished some and supply has increased, the prices drop.  In order to maintain volume, Apple dropped the price. Apple is not the only company to do this, its quite common.  Most people just don&#8217;t understand this basic economic concept. By the way, gas prices work the same way.</p>

<p>Quit your bitching, you paid the price that Apple was asking.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: George Smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Smiley</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dumbasses: Like you, I had the $600, and I wanted an iPhone. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BUT... I did not want an iPhone for $600, and it was obvious that the price would drop, just as it did with the RAZR and every other desirable tech item. ever. introduced. I set the price that I would pay, for the features I want: 16, or preferably 20 GB, and at least v. 1.2 of the software. That means that I&#039;ll probably get my phone in about 6 months. That&#039;s about 6 months sooner than I&#039;d expected, and I&#039;m cool with that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You set a different price/value point for yourselves: $600 for an 8 GB, v. 1.0 iPhone. And that is precisely what Apple delivered. In fact, no other company could have delivered that product at that price on that date. They controlled the supply, you provided the demand on what can only be described as a discretionary luxury item. And now, after the fact, you have the temerity to whine about it? Get a life, dumbasses.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbasses: Like you, I had the $600, and I wanted an iPhone. </p>

<p>BUT&#8230; I did not want an iPhone for $600, and it was obvious that the price would drop, just as it did with the RAZR and every other desirable tech item. ever. introduced. I set the price that I would pay, for the features I want: 16, or preferably 20 GB, and at least v. 1.2 of the software. That means that I&#8217;ll probably get my phone in about 6 months. That&#8217;s about 6 months sooner than I&#8217;d expected, and I&#8217;m cool with that.</p>

<p>You set a different price/value point for yourselves: $600 for an 8 GB, v. 1.0 iPhone. And that is precisely what Apple delivered. In fact, no other company could have delivered that product at that price on that date. They controlled the supply, you provided the demand on what can only be described as a discretionary luxury item. And now, after the fact, you have the temerity to whine about it? Get a life, dumbasses.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: HG</title>
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		<dc:creator>HG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The blogger hyenas are circling and laughing but they&#039;re blowing this out of proportion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t feel ripped off.  I don&#039;t need words put in my mouth.  And I don&#039;t need salt poured into non-existing wounds.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I don&#8217;t feel ripped off.  I don&#8217;t need words put in my mouth.  And I don&#8217;t need salt poured into non-existing wounds.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To keep those first buyers happy Apple should do something simple and cheap like give them a free, unique ringtone that ONLY 1st generation buyers get. Would at least make them feel a bit better about the sting of $200...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To keep those first buyers happy Apple should do something simple and cheap like give them a free, unique ringtone that ONLY 1st generation buyers get. Would at least make them feel a bit better about the sting of $200&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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